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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by Week 3 by Dave Cormier &#8211; Forget the Learners, How do I Measure a MOOC Quality Experience for ME?! &#124; MOOC Quality Project</title>
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		<dc:creator>Week 3 by Dave Cormier &#8211; Forget the Learners, How do I Measure a MOOC Quality Experience for ME?! &#124; MOOC Quality Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 20:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Conclusion This post is attempting to the discussion that controls what happens with MOOCs and any other innovation in the field of education going forward &#8211; Why are we doing this in the first place. An examination of the quality of the MOOC experience must include how the convenors of any course are measuring quality if it is to have an impact on the field as a whole. There are many pressures affecting Higher Education right now, but as Bonnie Stewart puts it in a recent blog post MOOCs as Symptom: Networks + Neoliberalism http://theory.cribchronicles.com/2013/05/12/participate-or-perish/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Conclusion This post is attempting to the discussion that controls what happens with MOOCs and any other innovation in the field of education going forward &#8211; Why are we doing this in the first place. An examination of the quality of the MOOC experience must include how the convenors of any course are measuring quality if it is to have an impact on the field as a whole. There are many pressures affecting Higher Education right now, but as Bonnie Stewart puts it in a recent blog post MOOCs as Symptom: Networks + Neoliberalism <a href="http://theory.cribchronicles.com/2013/05/12/participate-or-perish/" rel="nofollow">http://theory.cribchronicles.com/2013/05/12/participate-or-perish/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by On Higher Education &#124; Learner Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Higher Education &#124; Learner Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 23:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] posted an interesting post relating to education &#8211; participate or perish.  She highlights the discourse around education is [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on the rhizomatic learning lens &amp; what rhizomes are good for by Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 12:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Bonnie,

I&#039;m a bit late to this discussion, however, as I move into my second year of my PhD program in Leadership and Change, I&#039;m intrigued about the rhizome topic. My interest lies both in the learning aspect and, by extension (by roots and shoots) how thinking rhizomatically can/might influence how we lead in industry. So, that&#039;s my focus as I research, write, and unpack the idea that this may be a different lens through which to view leadership. I&#039;m coining it as &quot;rhizomatic leadership&quot;, have bought the domain (isn&#039;t that the first step??), and am incorporating the theory into how I narrow down my studies into my dissertation. All that being said, I am so very grateful for posts like yours, Dave&#039;s, Mary Ann Reilly&#039;s and am thirsty to learn/assimilate more. Perhaps we can chat at some point? Thank you thank you! Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bonnie,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit late to this discussion, however, as I move into my second year of my PhD program in Leadership and Change, I&#8217;m intrigued about the rhizome topic. My interest lies both in the learning aspect and, by extension (by roots and shoots) how thinking rhizomatically can/might influence how we lead in industry. So, that&#8217;s my focus as I research, write, and unpack the idea that this may be a different lens through which to view leadership. I&#8217;m coining it as &#8220;rhizomatic leadership&#8221;, have bought the domain (isn&#8217;t that the first step??), and am incorporating the theory into how I narrow down my studies into my dissertation. All that being said, I am so very grateful for posts like yours, Dave&#8217;s, Mary Ann Reilly&#8217;s and am thirsty to learn/assimilate more. Perhaps we can chat at some point? Thank you thank you! Cheers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 04:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if I understand you right (I&#039;m coming from a decidedly non-academic background, so perhaps I&#039;m not!), you&#039;re saying that in the last few decades, a lot of companies have figured out ways to make money off education, and we the public let them; and now those same (or similar) companies are figuring out how to make money from online education, esp. in the form of MOOCs. And one way to make money from online ed is to charge for entry (to &#039;enclose&#039;). So where you&#039;d thought that moving education online decreased barriers to entry, it did not; and where you&#039;d thought it encouraged open communication among disparate peoples -- since disparate people could get in -- it did not. Is that about right?

And some people say that these companies&#039; tendencies to enclose online education is the inherent fault of online education; but you argue that it&#039;s a symptom of what&#039;s happening to education as a whole. Yes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I understand you right (I&#8217;m coming from a decidedly non-academic background, so perhaps I&#8217;m not!), you&#8217;re saying that in the last few decades, a lot of companies have figured out ways to make money off education, and we the public let them; and now those same (or similar) companies are figuring out how to make money from online education, esp. in the form of MOOCs. And one way to make money from online ed is to charge for entry (to &#8216;enclose&#8217;). So where you&#8217;d thought that moving education online decreased barriers to entry, it did not; and where you&#8217;d thought it encouraged open communication among disparate peoples &#8212; since disparate people could get in &#8212; it did not. Is that about right?</p>
<p>And some people say that these companies&#8217; tendencies to enclose online education is the inherent fault of online education; but you argue that it&#8217;s a symptom of what&#8217;s happening to education as a whole. Yes?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by Lisa M Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa M Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Openness is perceived of as social because most of the networks came to the attention of educators via student use of social media, and in some cases by eager colleagues applying that trend to their classes. The networks among professionals remain relatively the same as they were five years ago - networked educators talk to each other but those who aren&#039;t in the web loop aren&#039;t in the conversation. I have seen no massive increase in blogging or online discussion among educators, only an outpouring of weak &quot;n=7&quot; research that doesn&#039;t seem to be helping anything except to get people with bizarre degrees employment as tools of institutions.

For many people, the web is a television with convenient ways to order consumer goods and keep in touch with friends and family. We need to create a paradigm where the eager sharing we see in hallway conversations on campus takes place online. Everyone has gotten hooked into long, involved conversations about pedagogy in hallways before, even more so than into conversations about family, which tend to be one-on-one. I frankly haven&#039;t seen a good online space for that kind of activity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Openness is perceived of as social because most of the networks came to the attention of educators via student use of social media, and in some cases by eager colleagues applying that trend to their classes. The networks among professionals remain relatively the same as they were five years ago &#8211; networked educators talk to each other but those who aren&#8217;t in the web loop aren&#8217;t in the conversation. I have seen no massive increase in blogging or online discussion among educators, only an outpouring of weak &#8220;n=7&#8243; research that doesn&#8217;t seem to be helping anything except to get people with bizarre degrees employment as tools of institutions.</p>
<p>For many people, the web is a television with convenient ways to order consumer goods and keep in touch with friends and family. We need to create a paradigm where the eager sharing we see in hallway conversations on campus takes place online. Everyone has gotten hooked into long, involved conversations about pedagogy in hallways before, even more so than into conversations about family, which tend to be one-on-one. I frankly haven&#8217;t seen a good online space for that kind of activity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by bon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article link, Suzanne...timely, as I try to hone my thesis proposal today and struggle to put my finger on exactly what you&#039;re pointing to. I suspect similar uptake might be seen here in North America. Increasingly, the possibilities of open networking appear to be perceived primarily as social, at least by the educators I encounter...which is part of the reason behind this overt push towards participation. Moving beyond consumption seem to me to be one of the few ways to avoid enclosure, but will not happen as long as participation continues to be seen as an add-on or trivialized as simply social behaviour. Making visible what we do and the value of it may be more necessary than we would have thought in the heyday of openness a few years back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article link, Suzanne&#8230;timely, as I try to hone my thesis proposal today and struggle to put my finger on exactly what you&#8217;re pointing to. I suspect similar uptake might be seen here in North America. Increasingly, the possibilities of open networking appear to be perceived primarily as social, at least by the educators I encounter&#8230;which is part of the reason behind this overt push towards participation. Moving beyond consumption seem to me to be one of the few ways to avoid enclosure, but will not happen as long as participation continues to be seen as an add-on or trivialized as simply social behaviour. Making visible what we do and the value of it may be more necessary than we would have thought in the heyday of openness a few years back.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love your posts. Forward, insightful. 

It&#039;s intriguing to sit back and say yeah but. As much as I enjoy possibilities, there are those realities that make you stop and think.

Apparently in Australian higher education the uptake of networked life is lower than expected. And in the bigger picture, a teeny-tiny portion of the population actually engages in the engaging-ways -of –online, we (whatever we are) have come to believe are so transformative. Reality is the overwhelming majority people consume the Web and now think in terms of consuming education.  

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjet.12060/full 

I’m not surprised. Are you? 

There are reasons then to resist and rebel, and to politicize not just what’s going on in higher education but as Lanier reminds us, the dismantling of a desirable livelihood with livable wages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your posts. Forward, insightful. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s intriguing to sit back and say yeah but. As much as I enjoy possibilities, there are those realities that make you stop and think.</p>
<p>Apparently in Australian higher education the uptake of networked life is lower than expected. And in the bigger picture, a teeny-tiny portion of the population actually engages in the engaging-ways -of –online, we (whatever we are) have come to believe are so transformative. Reality is the overwhelming majority people consume the Web and now think in terms of consuming education.  </p>
<p><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjet.12060/full" rel="nofollow">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjet.12060/full</a> </p>
<p>I’m not surprised. Are you? </p>
<p>There are reasons then to resist and rebel, and to politicize not just what’s going on in higher education but as Lanier reminds us, the dismantling of a desirable livelihood with livable wages.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by bon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 17:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s hostile. And points to the very problem at the core of the neoliberal rhetoric for education.

Karin, neoliberalism may be a touchy term, but it&#039;s an overt economic and social paradigm, not a fairy tale. Your presentation of &quot;market forces&quot; as simply a collective of individual decisions, free of political agenda or underlying profit motive, is disingenuous. Neoliberalism is a political position just as my own preference for &quot;public&quot; solutions (though not actually institutional, as you&#039;d see if were to look through the post/slides) is a political position. You&#039;ve embodied neoliberalism nicely here, actually: far better than bickering over a Foucault vs. Chomsky vs. Thatcher interpretation. 

We can disagree on politics. We can discuss what kind of values and solutions are a way forward for education - for instance, I agree with your points on MOOCs. I also think networks will continue to bleed beyond the enclosure of what I see as technosolutionism and for-profit solutions for education. I even think those networks might be far better options than institutionalized education as we&#039;ve known it. But we&#039;d probably have a far better conversation about all this if you read beyond your own apparent trigger words and didn&#039;t caricature others&#039; positions, especially with &quot;people like you&quot; statements. 

To be clear, I&#039;m not actually &quot;in an institution&quot; in the sense that you appear hostile to. I haven&#039;t been part of the decision-making process you refer to. I am long-networked, a freelancer and a grad student, lucky enough currently to have federal funding, but quite familiar with uncertainty, thank you. I also teach sessionally within my own faculty...or did, before the most recent budget cuts. 

I am good at what I do, in the &quot;Me Inc&quot; sense where networks and neoliberalism overlap. But education is my field and my interest, so my income still comes largely from institutions, though on a contract basis. There is some freedom to that position, but be wary of over-romanticizing it: the precariat is a winner-take-all game. 

And that conflicts with what I happen to believe education should be. Which is what this post is actually about - trying to find ways to keep some semblance of the values of public education and the idea that we have a society, not just a clot of individuals - alive, in spite of the failures of institutions and the direct undermining of them by positions like yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s hostile. And points to the very problem at the core of the neoliberal rhetoric for education.</p>
<p>Karin, neoliberalism may be a touchy term, but it&#8217;s an overt economic and social paradigm, not a fairy tale. Your presentation of &#8220;market forces&#8221; as simply a collective of individual decisions, free of political agenda or underlying profit motive, is disingenuous. Neoliberalism is a political position just as my own preference for &#8220;public&#8221; solutions (though not actually institutional, as you&#8217;d see if were to look through the post/slides) is a political position. You&#8217;ve embodied neoliberalism nicely here, actually: far better than bickering over a Foucault vs. Chomsky vs. Thatcher interpretation. </p>
<p>We can disagree on politics. We can discuss what kind of values and solutions are a way forward for education &#8211; for instance, I agree with your points on MOOCs. I also think networks will continue to bleed beyond the enclosure of what I see as technosolutionism and for-profit solutions for education. I even think those networks might be far better options than institutionalized education as we&#8217;ve known it. But we&#8217;d probably have a far better conversation about all this if you read beyond your own apparent trigger words and didn&#8217;t caricature others&#8217; positions, especially with &#8220;people like you&#8221; statements. </p>
<p>To be clear, I&#8217;m not actually &#8220;in an institution&#8221; in the sense that you appear hostile to. I haven&#8217;t been part of the decision-making process you refer to. I am long-networked, a freelancer and a grad student, lucky enough currently to have federal funding, but quite familiar with uncertainty, thank you. I also teach sessionally within my own faculty&#8230;or did, before the most recent budget cuts. </p>
<p>I am good at what I do, in the &#8220;Me Inc&#8221; sense where networks and neoliberalism overlap. But education is my field and my interest, so my income still comes largely from institutions, though on a contract basis. There is some freedom to that position, but be wary of over-romanticizing it: the precariat is a winner-take-all game. </p>
<p>And that conflicts with what I happen to believe education should be. Which is what this post is actually about &#8211; trying to find ways to keep some semblance of the values of public education and the idea that we have a society, not just a clot of individuals &#8211; alive, in spite of the failures of institutions and the direct undermining of them by positions like yours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participate or Perish? by Karin Litzcke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin Litzcke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 14:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have time for a full critique, but I would say your understanding of &quot;market forces&quot; is flawed.  For-profit vs for-growth institutions do not differ in their response to market forces: they do their damnedest to control them.  Pure &quot;market forces&quot; are the decisions of individual people, felt en masse.  What happened to higher ed is basically a whole lot of people like you who made decisions within institutions that led to people - individual students, community members, parents of school children - being less able to make their own decisions.  

The resulting discontent and feeling of being trapped led to a widespread push for change, which neither type of institution adapted to - the for-growth institutions least of all because it is more buffered.  So governments took a short-cut, and enter the for-profit option.  Sorry, but if you become a barrier, people will go around you. 

For-profits are not the right answer, but the easy one - I&#039;m not here to excuse governments for making that choice.  

MOOCs are an expression of personal preference that the for-growth institutions (universities, school districts) have utterly failed to satisfy.  If there were no internet today, this would be expressing itself some other way.   

Neoliberalism is a fairy tale that people in institutions have told themselves to excuse their own lack of responsiveness.  I&#039;m afraid, if you are looking for an enemy, it has been yourself - allowing household income to become fully dependent on institutionally-imposed dictatorship over people&#039;s lives.  

Welcome to the world of uncertainty that most of your funders - taxpayers - live in.  And the corresponding freedom :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time for a full critique, but I would say your understanding of &#8220;market forces&#8221; is flawed.  For-profit vs for-growth institutions do not differ in their response to market forces: they do their damnedest to control them.  Pure &#8220;market forces&#8221; are the decisions of individual people, felt en masse.  What happened to higher ed is basically a whole lot of people like you who made decisions within institutions that led to people &#8211; individual students, community members, parents of school children &#8211; being less able to make their own decisions.  </p>
<p>The resulting discontent and feeling of being trapped led to a widespread push for change, which neither type of institution adapted to &#8211; the for-growth institutions least of all because it is more buffered.  So governments took a short-cut, and enter the for-profit option.  Sorry, but if you become a barrier, people will go around you. </p>
<p>For-profits are not the right answer, but the easy one &#8211; I&#8217;m not here to excuse governments for making that choice.  </p>
<p>MOOCs are an expression of personal preference that the for-growth institutions (universities, school districts) have utterly failed to satisfy.  If there were no internet today, this would be expressing itself some other way.   </p>
<p>Neoliberalism is a fairy tale that people in institutions have told themselves to excuse their own lack of responsiveness.  I&#8217;m afraid, if you are looking for an enemy, it has been yourself &#8211; allowing household income to become fully dependent on institutionally-imposed dictatorship over people&#8217;s lives.  </p>
<p>Welcome to the world of uncertainty that most of your funders &#8211; taxpayers &#8211; live in.  And the corresponding freedom :-)</p>
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		<dc:creator>bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 11:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i hadn&#039;t heard of it, Pamela...but looked it up and looks like i should read it.

published in 1997, huh? the idea that none of this is new but rather was visible 15-20 years ago, especially regarding the corporatism, bites. my own culpability in turning a blind eye, writ large.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hadn&#8217;t heard of it, Pamela&#8230;but looked it up and looks like i should read it.</p>
<p>published in 1997, huh? the idea that none of this is new but rather was visible 15-20 years ago, especially regarding the corporatism, bites. my own culpability in turning a blind eye, writ large.</p>
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